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To the Ridgewood area of SRCP:

    GSP North to exit 163.  Follow Route 17 North to the Ridgewood Ave. exit.
Head toward Ridgewood (you'll loop back over the highway). After you pass
Paramus Rd., look on your right.  When you see the duck pond (and signs
mentioning that it's the Ridgewood Wild Duck Pond of SRCP), turn right into the
area.

I can't recall how to get to the Glen Rock area.  Sorry.

To Fair Lawn and Dunkerhook from the north:

    If you're coming from the north on GSP South, use exit 163 (Route 17).
Exit at Century Rd. and head toward Paramus/Fair Lawn/Glen Rock (or whatever it
says).  You will not cross over Route 17.  Follow Century Rd. to Paramus Rd.
There will be a cemetery on your right (this is the intersection mentioned in
the Fair Lawn and Dunkerhook).  To get to Fair Lawn, go straight.  To get to
Dunkerhook, turn right.  Follow the above directions.

To Ridgewood from the north:

    Exit the GSP at the Ridgewood/Oradell exit (I may be wrong, but I believe
it is 165) and head toward Ridgewood.  You are now on Ridgewood Ave.  Just
follow Ridgewood Ave. as above after you cross Route 17.


Trail descriptions:

    There are approximately 6-7 miles of trails there.  Most of them are
quite
smooth, with a few rough spots along the way.  They're about 5' wide, and
traffic is mostly walkers, joggers, bladers, and cyclists of various ages from
child to senior citizen.  Adult cyclists and bladers will generally follow
courtesies and warn people in front of them when they are coming up behind you.
The whole series of trails winds along side of a brook.  Bugs are rampant along
parts of the trails during summer months in the evenings.  There are a few
hills, but most of them are short, or not too steep.  There are a few parking
lots along the way where many newbie bladers can be seen tripping, stumbling, or
moving forward when they have their balance.  There are no street lights along
the trails, as they all pass through wooded areas.  The slalom course, for those
interested, is in the Fair Lawn area by the tennis courts.  If there is nobody
there and you have your own cones (we tend to use cups because they're cheaper),
you'll find red dots painted on the ground.  The dots are 5' apart (measured
MANY times).  If someone is there, you won't be discouraged from trying.  In
fact if you just stand there and watch, you're very likely to be asked to try
the cones.  Just watch out for the geese and ducks in any of the parking lots
around duck ponds (Ridgewood and Glen Rock), unless you like cleaning your
bearings and wheels.

Hope to see some of you out there!

--Joe

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From commpost!opus!camelot![e-mail]

Well, I know of 2 parks in my area where you can go skating...
    Saddle River County Park in Fair Lawn/Paramus/Glen Rock/Ridgewood
    Brookdale Park           in Bloomfield

I much prefer Saddle River County Park because it has a 5+ mile trail (one way!)
which is great if you're looking for long skating runs.  Most of the people
there are friendly and follow general courtesies when passing, especially when
there's a large group (this is cyclists, skaters, and runners alike!).  There is
also an area where we do slaloming through cones.  People in the group I usually
meet there have painted dots on the ground for the cones.  They're 5' apart
(yeah, we know that competitions use 6' as the distance).  Any time anyone has
cones set up, people are welcome to "try their luck."  We'll never tell anyone
that they can't try it.  In fact, if you stand there and watch for a long time
and you're wearing rollerblades, someone's going to ask you to try it.

Brookdale Park is ok, but I've found that many of the cyclists there are a bunch
of assholes (mostly it's the cycling club members).  They might give you 3
inches clearance when they pass you while you're avoiding debris on the side of
the road.  Next time I go there, I'm going to bring a hockey stick with me (even
though I don't play hockey) and swing it back and forth as I go.  If the
cyclists bother me, *WHACK*... >:-)  Other than that, it's got a 1 mile loop
with a rather nasty hill.  The paths going through the park other than the main
road (which has a car speed limit of 30 MPH, which of course nobody follows) are
not that great and could use some repaving.

How to get to the parks:
SRCP:
    The Fair Lawn area is accessed from Century Rd.  Use Route 17 and exit at
Century Rd.  Head toward Glen Rock/Fair Lawn.  The access road (Dunkerhook Rd)
is a small road between Paramus Rd. and Saddle River Rd.
    The Dunkerhook area (Paramus) is accessed from Paramus Rd.  The access
road (Dunkerhook Rd.) has a sign by it and is north of Century Rd.
    The Ridgewood area is on Ridgewood Ave.  Use Route 17 and exit at
Ridgewood Ave.  Head toward Ridgewood.
    I can't exactly remember how to get to the Glen Rock area, but Saddle
River Rd. comes to mind.

BP:
    There are entries on Grove St., Watchung Ave., and Bellvue Ave., all in
Bloomfield.  Take Route 3 to Broad St., head toward Bloomfield.

Other things:
    In SRCP, if it is nice, there are always some skaters there after 1pm on
weekends, and a varied subset of them on weeknights.

Contact me if you want to come up and skate with us on a weekend.

(h) 201-473-7606
(w) 212-449-1398 (direct to me)

If you call me at home, my father and I have the same first name.

--Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Kamran Vaziri)

There's a great place to skate up around the Madison, NJ area.  It's the closed
(unfinished portion) of route 24.  It's paved and very smooooooooth.  Plenty of
room too.  I'm not sure how to get to give you directions cause I don't know all
the street names around there but I'll get a friend of mine to post directions
to the place.

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From: HQPYR1:[e-mail]

Path or area location:

   Sawyer Camp Trail

Directions

Take I-280 to the Black Mtn / Hayne Rd exit-- near Half Moon Bay. Head  west
after you exit, until you reach the first stop sign. There is a sign that points
left to Sawyer Camp Trail. Turn left. It is about 1-2 miles down after you turn.

Parking information

   Park on the side of the road about 1-2 miles down. You'll see the entrance.

Path length

   6 miles in one direction.

Loop or non-loop

   Non-loop.

Average path width

   Two lanes; each about sidewalk width.

Minimum path width

   Same throughout course.

Average surface

   Fairly smooth; no potholes; some cracks filled with black goop.

Worst surface

Some areas are cracked with the goop filling. The goop can be kind of slippery,
even when dry, so skate very gingerly on this stuff.

When there has been rain, only attempt the first half of the trail; the second
half is shady, so it dries slower. The pavement is very hard to skate on when
wet.

Number of hills

   Several small hills, one huge hill on the last mile of the course.

Severity of steepest hill

If you are not *very* good at speed control, *do not skate the last mile*. If
you are good at speed control, make sure to keep your speed down. The hill is
windy, so you risk running into peds and/or bikes if you fly too fast.

Average steepness

   Don't know what the grade is, but the big hill is pretty darn steep.

Obstacles

   Pedestrians, bikes, skaters.

Weekend pedestrian and bicycle traffic

Saturday and Sunday afternoons see pretty heavy traffic. Most of the traffic,
though, keeps to the first mile or two of the trail. So, after you get past
that, the number of other path users drops significantly.

Weekday pedestrian and bicycle traffic

   Never gone during the week-- don't know.

Number of roads which cross the path

   None.

Number of stairways on the path

   None.

Distance markings

   Every half mile.

Any other pertinent information

There are usually two park rangers who patrol the path. Thus, it is  fairly
safe. They also have radar. The first and last half mile half posted speed
limits of 5 MPH. The rest has a speed limit of 15 MPH. They do ticket violators,
so you're wise to obey the speed limit.

   Park is open dawn to dusk.

   - Eugene Walden ([e-mail])


Washington D.C.
---------------
From: [e-mail] (George B. Clark)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Naruhisa Takas
hima) writes:
>
>Yes                            NO!
>Bike paths (contrete)          chunky old asphalt paths (maybe ;')
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I know this sounds like a good place, but I'm not so sure.
>For those in the D.C. area, I have skated on Rock Creek Park which is real
>nice path for joggers and slow bicyclist, but I'm not so sure if it's suited fo
r
>Bladers.  The path is narrow, damp in many places, and ocassionally very steep
>which makes it very difficult for speed control, which in turn leads to bail ou
t or
>wipe out.
>

Most parts of Rock Creek Park's bike path are OK to skate, except for
one real steep place that even bike riders have trouble with.

Since the path goes through the woods, keep in mind that wet leaves on
the pavement are very slippery to skate over.

It's also fun to leave the bike path, and skate about the nice
neighbor streets adjacent to it.


Atlanta
-------

From: [e-mail] (toM o. genesE)
Subject: Re: Pipes/parks

Well, I'm not quite sure what your looking for in a place to skate,
but if you are ever in Atlanta (well, it is on the East coast after
all) be sure to go to Piedmont Park.  The park itself is home to quite
a few skaters, and no one minds their presence.  Directly across the
street from the park is Skate Escape, the rec/speed skate shop
mentioned in the rec.skate FAQ.

Every Monday evening, there is an introductory skate through the
midtown area, starting at a shopping center near the park.  Even
though the trip is labeled as introductory, when the skaters (80+)
gather in the parking lot, you can meet advanced skaters and pick up
some tips, see some tricks, etc.  If you are into speedskating, Skate
Escape has a distance skate every Wednesday night.

There is also a local skate club, the Atlanta Peachtree Road Rollers.
These are the people who put on the Monday night skate, as well as
provide introductory skate lessons.

I can get more info on the club and these events if there is some
interest.


ABROAD

Australia
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From: [e-mail] (Klaus B. Biggers)
Subject: Mountain Roads (was: Law Enforcement and Skating...)

My favorite skate is Royal Street in Park City, UT. It's a road that goes about
half to two-thirds of the way up Deer Valley Ski Resort.  Lots of turns and
*LOTS* of new pavement. Its probably about 500 meters (~1600 ft.) vertical and
an absolute blast. There is little traffic and the police are very mellow about
the whole thing (the town does depend on tourism you know). You can either bomb
down it risking the tarmac(sp?) tickle or get thousands of turns (literally).
Its really great in the summer since the temperature is rarely over 78 degrees F
or so. Also, in the winter, a bus runs up to the top on a regular schedule and
doesn't cost a dime. I kind of like the grunt up. It is kind of strange though
watching a blader skate by a "Watch for Ice" hazard sign..

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Purcell)
Subject: Canberra ACT AUSTRALIA

HI I just thought I would share with all what I think is the best location in
Australia for blading.

Yes I am refering to Canberra Australia.  The network of bike paths is quite
extensive, one can go from one end of the city to the other on bike paths.  The
paths are all >1.5m and made from hot mix, which makes them fast and ideal for
pole work training for X-C.  As Canberra is only two hours from the snow fields
a large population of bladers has grown up, all out there with their poles.

Canberra has two man made lakes which also have bike paths around them, all
paths in Canberra are interconnecting so it makes commuting easy. The main lake
is a 20km loop and the minor lake has a 6km loop, all in all I would estimate
that there would be about 300-400km of trails in Canberra.  IDEAL!!!

There is nothing like blading around the lake just as the sun is coming up over
the mountains, with the smallest amout of mist over the lake, and only one or
two joggers/cyclists to worry about.

There are some problems though, before most road crossings there is a section of
about 1.5 - 2 m of concrete bumps, which play like hell on the legs. It is
possible to jump these but not the easiest.

So if anyone is thinking of going to Canberra make sure you pack in your blades
or you will be sorry when you get here.  See you out there.



Hawaii
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From: [e-mail] (George Robbins)
Subject: Re: skating in Hawaii?

In the Honolulu area, the terrain in town is pretty flat, but you can get into
some serious hill-climbing instantly if you want to head inland.  Great view
though, if you work your way up the hill right behind Honolulu.

The roads in town are good, but it is a pretty dense urban area, more like
western business districts than NYC though.  Expect to deal with traffic and try
to avoid getting stuck playing tag with the frequent city buses - it's hard work
to get past and stay ahead, miserable to stay behind or play leapfrog.

In the outlying areas, you have a bit of a problem.  The roads are generally
good, but there is usually only one road between any two points, so traffic can
get heavy.

Also, since the general geography is a volcanic mountain, with kind of flat
shoreline skirt, you will find that everytime you circumferentially cross one of
the many radial river/streambed valleys, you go down a steep slope, over a
bridge and back up. This is especially true on the smaller roads, major ones may
have a bit more invested in grading and bridges.

Also, be prepared for hot and sunny weather.  When skating you may spend more
time in the sun than the usually carefully rationed time on the beach vs. indoor
shopping and clubs.  It is very easy to get dehydrated or severly sunburned.
Make sure you have light clothing that gives full body, arm and leg coverage and
a wind-proof hat/sunshade of some sort.

On a more serious note, a parter isn't a bad idea, especially if you intend to
travel independently outside the major tourist traps. Hawaii isn't exactly
paradise when it comes to crime and delinquency. This has come up a number of
times on rec.bicycling with respect to bicycle touring, and it's not clear if
there is a real problem or just a few overworked tales.

================================================================================
List of contributors:

[e-mail] (Jim Aites)
[e-mail] (Betsy Burton)
[e-mail] (bRYgUY K. Carter)
[e-mail] (George B. Clark)
[e-mail] (toM o. genesE)
[e-mail] (George Robbins)
[e-mail] (Diana Hirsch)
HQPYR1:[e-mail] (Kimon Papahadjopoulos)
HQPYR1:[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Jim Young)
[e-mail] (Joe Kaplenk)
[e-mail] (Joseph Ogulin)
[e-mail] (Kamran Vaziri)
[e-mail] (Kenneth Creta)
[e-mail] (Klaus B. Biggers)
[e-mail] (Michael Peters)
[e-mail] (Mark Purcell)
Phil Earnhardt, [e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Eugene Walden)

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REC.SKATE FAQ - PART 7:  WHERE TO SKATE (Indoors)


                         LISTING OF INDOOR SKATING RINKS
                         -------------------------------
                         (collected by Albert Boulanger)



From: Robert John Butera <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good rinks in Texas

In Houston:   Trade Winds Roller Rink

              5006 W. 34th.  Just East of highway 290 just north of
                                                             I-610.

Adult night is Thursdays, 7:30-10.  Not as much dance music as I'd
like, though there is some every night.  A lot of the crowd seems
to favor classic rock, but everything is played.

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From: "Rebecca Y. Shen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Any good rink roller skaing in greater (Northern) LA?

I live in Pasadena, but I haven't ventured around the Greater LA basin, so I can
only comment on three nearby rinks: Glendale, San Gabriel, and West Covina.
Personally, I figure/freestyle skated (and am now on ice), so after the first
couple months I stopped going to the crowded adult sessions.

Stats:
Floor Size:
   West Covina -- Big
   Glendale    -- Medium
   San Gabriel -- Small

Floor type:
   West Covina -- Synthetic/Plastic ??
   Glendale    -- Wood (good condition)
   San Gabriel -- Wood (OK condition)

In-lines
   West Covina -- Yes/Rent
   Glendale    -- NO
   San Gabriel -- Yes


Time-distance (from central Pasadena -- say Lake and Colorado):
   West Covina -- 20 minutes / 30+ minutes (rush hour)
   Glendale    -- 10 minutes
   San Gabriel -- 10 minutes

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From: [e-mail]      Mark L. Fussell

My favorite is Moonlight Rollerway in Glendale: it is close, has a large enough
rink, and has nice skaters/management.

Approximate hours (I am removing the half hours, so 8 may actually be 7:30):
   Wed,Fri: 3-5        --  This is a "kid" session, but is not at all crowded,
                           so ideal for "fancy skating".

   Sat,Sun: ?1-3,3-5   --  Crowded "kid" sessions

   Fri,Sat: 8-10,10-12 --  Crowded Adult/Teenage sessions, Modern music
   Thu:     8-10       --  ?? A less crowded Adult/Teenage session,
                           possibly more Adults

   Wed:     8-10       --  Dance session, Organ Music (open to everyone,
                           but has a lot of dance-pairs, and about
                           20 minutes of organised dances).

   Tue:     8-10       --  Never been: think it is adult with ?? jitterbug,
                           disco, modern music ??

   Sun:     8-10       --  Gay night, open to anyone (who doesn't mind the
couples, and a couple dances you might not want to join). I've never been, but
I know straight people who do go.

--
West Covina's hours should be similar to Glendale, although I know the rinks in
6
the area rotate some of the special adult sessions with each other. West Covina
has more people, and a big center area for spot Rexxing.
--
San Gabriel may also be similar to Glendale, but I wouldn't recommend it
because6
of the small floor, and no one that I have met ever suggested it.
--

I'll send you the exact addresses/phone numbers later.

Friends from skating have recommended North Hollywood, Reseda, and several other
places, but I don't know anything beyond that. If you go to one of the adult
sessions at Glendale there will be several people to ask.

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From: Erica Nowicki <[e-mail]>

        I was a speedskater on the circut in michigan for a few years, and am
an avid rink-hopper, and worked at 1 for 4 years.  Here is a record of some of
my findings :

*note these are all PERSONAL opinions given as truthfully as possible.
@= rink that hold meets.

Skateland of Woodhaven, Woodhaven, MI (homebase):  Usually a friendly crowd,
        but the floor needs to be redone in my opinion the speeds tend to be
        kept at a reasonable pace for sessions and the crowd under control.

        Music.

Dixie Skateland, Monroe MI: They need a better floor and sound system and
        their regular crowd is obnoxious.

@Skatin' Station, Canton, MI:  This is the place that State Meets are usually
        held along with a thanksgiving invitational that usually has a pretty
        good representation from a good number of states.  Their floor is
        excellent along with their sound system, but I tend to find that their
        sessions lacking.

Riverside Arena, Livonia, MI:  This rink I recommend highly, they have an
        excellent floor, and their sessions are awsome.  I attend these
        sessions quite frequently even though it is almost an hour from my
        home.

All Skate, Jackson, MI: They have a decent floor, and their crowd is one of
        the friendliest that I have seen in a long time, they also have a
        decent sound system, they do have very strict rules though which may
        turn alot of the better skaters off.

Rollerworld, Kalamazoo, MI:  Well, this rink is in a shopping mall, they do
        need a new floor, they have strict rules,  and need a new sound system
        but their crowd is nice for the most part.

I have gone to other rinks, but have only been once mainly for competition and
cannot give an accurate impression though that only.....
        Have a nice day...

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From: [e-mail] (Carl Baltrunas & Cherie Marinelli 1.5)
Subject: Re: Any good rink roller skaing in greater (Northern) LA?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Albert Bo
ulanger) writes:

> I have been thinking that it may be a good idea to build a
> network-wide resource of good roller skating rinks around the world.
                          ^^^^^^
> (Any good rinks in U.K. or Australia?) I have checked out rinks in
> Denver, Silicon Valley, San Diego, LA, Ft. Lauderdale area, Daytona,
> Orlando, NYC, Boston, the Twin Cities MN, Chicago, Toronto, and
> Washington DC. I will take the time out to compile a list if people
> supply me information.
>
> Have to travel -- will skate, Albert Boulanger [e-mail]

I've not had to travel as much as I would like, but I've skated in the
Washington DC metro area (includes MD & VA), Baltimore MD, St. Louis,
Portland OR, Silicon Valley [live here] and LA with reasonable success.

I used to get "Skate" Magazine (guess I ought to renew it) and I would
look through the previous year or two to find the names of rinks that had
figure/dance/free-style tests results to find the names of rinks to look
up in the phone books when I got to a city I was visiting for more than a
couple of days.

This, of course, does NOT include all the available rinks... just ones that
have artistic/speed skating clubs... but in any given area, that's where
I'd prefer to skate anyway.

With a little work, I should be able to remember the places I've skated if
you/anyone is interested, with some critique of the place.

As for the LA area, there are at least half a dozen good rinks and probably
more with a little driving.  They usually have a good showing at the SW
Regional meets and I know a few teachers from that area.  SkateWay in in
the Pasadena (I think) area was ok, but I think they were a pretty small
rink. It was 6 years ago I was there.

Randall mentioned restrictions about backwards skating, et al in a lot of
rinks.  That's one reason to look for a rink with a club.  They are a lot
more tolerant of things like that if you show that you are a competant
skater.  Having a past or current amateur card is helpful too...  Also if
you get a chance to talk to the owner/mgmt and let them know you are from
out-of-state and not just a regular, they may be more apt to let you do
things they harrass other skaters about.

My wife and I were in Baltimore and went to a "practice" session and talked
to the pro there about some floor time and she hemmed and hawed a bit then
said she'd have to talk to the management.  While we all walked toward the
office, we mentioned that our coach as Wayne Melton (a reasonably known SW
and US champion skater/teacher).  She immediately stopped and told us to
put on our skates without even bothering to go to the office.  If the rink
is truly interested in skaters and skating in general, they will try to
accomodate out-of-town skaters if you are open and honest with them about
what you want to do.

-----

From: [e-mail] (bill)
Subject: Roller skating rinks (was: Any good rink roller skaing in greater (Nort
hern) LA?)
Summary: what I like near south/central NJ

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
: (Any good rinks in U.K. or Australia?) I have checked out rinks in
: Denver, Silicon Valley, San Diego, LA, Ft. Lauderdale area,

There are still good rinks in Ft. Lauderdale? That's my home turf
and the rink I started at, Gold Coast, has, I'm told, been
converted to a Salvation Army store or somesuch. Sad; it used to
be the oldest rink in the state. When I left about two years ago,
there wasn't much else in the area.

:  I will take the time out to compile a list if people
: supply me information.

I'm primarily a dance skater, so my evaluations are from that
standpoint. Here are the rinks I've visited since I moved up here.

In Burlington county, New Jersey, there is the Holiday Skating
rink in Delanco, just off 130. It has a very large floor, in
pretty good shape, though not as well maintained as it used to
be. They have a competent, if uninspired, live organist on
Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday evenings. Tuesday is a crowded
session; the other two are fairly peaceful. I hear the organist
also does a late night session Friday (Saturday?) of just R&Rish
music but I've never been to that session.

Down in Gloucester county, there are two rinks. Skater's Choice,
in Hurffville (I think), on 47 near 55, has a decent Wednesday
night organ session. Dave Paden (sp?) plays and he's good. The
rink floor is average size and fairly well maintained. The rink
has a reasonable crowd but one can skate through it.

Speaking of Dave Paden, he also plays at the Cornwells rink. This
is just a bit east of Philadelphia on 13. This is on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. These sessions are not awfully crowded and the folk
are a bit older than in the other sessions I've mentioned. The
floor is average size but not quite as good as the one at
Skater's Choice. (This info is about a year old.)

Back to Gloucester county is the rink I skate out of, the
Deptford rink, just off 47 near 295. Besides having some good
pros, its main claim to fame is NO SMOKING, none at all in the
building. Since most of the other rinks tend to be smokeholes and
I'm allergic to it, I really like that. Unfortunately, it has a
small floor that has definitely seen better days. And the one
organ session they have, on Thursdays, is tapes and very poorly
attended. The tapes aren't very good, either. Sigh. (This is
likely to change; the management is letting some of the club
skaters run the session. With any luck, they'll do better. But if
you are interested in this session, you really should call the
rink instead of just going.)

Finally, there is the Rollerama rink in Levittown, Pennsylvania,
on 413 between 95 and 1. This had, a year ago anyway, a Sunday
evening session. This rink is also fairly small and the floor
could be in better shape, though it is better than Deptford's.
That session is also just tapes.

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Subject: Any good rink roller skaing in greater (Northern) LA?

Thanks for your input. Here is the info I had for LA (that is not on
your list -- spelling questionable):

Reseda: Sherman Square Roller Rink.
18430 Sherman Way. 818 345-6902
(Thursday 8:30-1:30)

Grand Terrace: Calif Skate
22080 Indust(?)  824-8114

San Bernadino: Stardust RR
2167 N Lugo      883-1103

Torrance: Shamrock
1851 Mullin Ave  328-7150

Riverside: Calif Skate
12710 Magnolia Ave   354-7060

Montclair: Holiday RR
9191 Central Ave     626-0501/982-9150

Saugus: Skate in Place
21616 Golden Triangle Rd  255-8453